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catastrophic oil spill in the gulf. let's start with the latest on the investigation into that failed car bombing in times square. roger is an nbc news terrorist analy analyst. we need all your thoughts on this. what do you think is this a case of international terrorism or a homegrown anti-government terrorist or what? >> i think, chris, there are two possibilities. the first is an individual who is self-radicalized and had links with individuals overseas and never got overseas to get the training necessary to build a sophisticated workable device and decided to do something on his or her own and then went into times square. the second possibility is an individual like najibullah zazi. they decided to do this type of device because they thought it was better or more likely to succeed. this individual was incapable or
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unwilling to do it either one is in play. so much will depend on who the individual or individuals -- this could be a broader based conspiracy. we simply don't know yet. either way it goes it means one of two things. if it's a domestic only incident then this is law enforcement and becomes prosecution. someone with links overseas, this becomes a counterterrorism policy issue for the obama administration and what the federal government should do in response. >> two questions. first of all, how do you rule out just a right wing attack by someone on the right who is mad at the establishment? how do you know for sure it's not an american versus america situation here? >> you don't. you could easily find out that this was someone who was either had a right wing agenda or was mentally disturbed or had other things driving it. my caution on the right wing extremist is that typically they go after symbols of authority. symbols of power. times square is a symbol of american culture, american society. so if people are drawing timothy
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mcveigh parallels, he went after a federal office building. the fact that whoever this was put it in the middle of times square and wanted to kill innocent men, women and children at the height of an entertainment period, that for me doesn't add up. it will depend on who this person was. >> like a lot of americans i've been lucky to walk through times square during the big crowds. there are so many people there. let me ask but the report from "the washington post" earlier today. what does it mean to say that they are seeing telltale signs of international involvement here. >> i think someone overstepped their brief just a tad when they were talking to "the post." that means a form of communication either e-mail, phones, or other type of pieces of data that point to some overseas interaction or it could be information of pocket litter they found in the car itself. it's probably electronic communication they are following up on right now. >> tell me about this crazy bomb
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equipment. go through what was in the vehicle that might have worked or maybe never could have worked. run through what was in there. >> i think bottom line up front it wasn't going to work. you had several things. you had gasoline cans. you had propane canisters. you had firecrackers. m-88s. you had a large gun box filled with nonexplosive fertilizer and an approach to try to get it to light off. the closest thing this comes to is what happened in london in 2007 when there were two car bombs using propane canisters that almost went off and based on what we heard from people on the inside, the london approach was far more likely to succeed than what this one looks like. whoever put this together basically did a pretty crappy job and we should all be thankful for that. >> we are. thank you so much, roger.
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let's turn now to new york senator chuck schumer who joins us on this very hot issue. senator schumer, thank you for joining us tonight. what do you make of this as a new yorker. a guy that grew up in new york. is your city always going to be the iconic target for the bad guys? >> we have been the target. there have been scares, probably one or two a year since 9/11, and new yorkers are a tough breed. we sort of know that lots happens in our city. mostly good. sometimes bad. and i think new yorkers live with the idea that we're the target. i think the thing that troubles new yorkers is not that we're the target, although that troubles us, but the thing that something can be done about is we do need washington to recognize that and help us more. the new york police department has been doing an incredible job. they have 1,000 people just on anti-terrorism and some of the programs that the federal government does that have been very helpful for instance this
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surveillance you see there at times square. ray kelly, the commissioner, wants to complete that and do mid town surveillance just about everywhere and the federal government hasn't appropriated that kind of money. the city pays for some of it but the feds could step up and do more. there's one other one that kelly is working on that the budget actually zeroed out this year called ring of steel. and it's detectors around the city on the g.w. bridge and major highways that come in that could detect radiological and nuclear device as they came in. they zeroed out the money last year. i fought hard and got it back and they zeroed it out again this year. we'll fight and get it back. you could eventually expand that program to detect other things. biological, chemical and even explosive. >> new york to its credit is filled with iconic facilities.
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you have obviously the statue of liberty. obviously the empire state building. the brooklyn bridge. there's so many places there. chrysler building. 30 rockefeller, rockefeller center. so many spaces in new york that would make a big name. times square is enormous. any way to have surveillance cameras and defense apparatus to capture these activities completely? >> you can never capture them completely, chris. the technology does get better and better. one example that doesn't have to do with new york but the whole country, we're better at electronic listening in to who might be a terrorist and most of the time if there's any connection to some kind of international group, we pick it up in advance. one example was the last terrorist threat we had. the man zazi who was apprehended at the george washington bridge and they had been listening to him for six months to a year and every call he made and every
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connection he made was analyzed and then every call and connection they made was analyzed. it's painstaking work but very successful. technology really works. there is offensive warfare. and the kinds of things i mentioned that don't make you 100% safe but cut down the odds the terrorists will succeed. >> one last thought. it's so phenomenal about new york. i have a couple children who live in new york as you know and they go to school there and have gone to school there and every young person in america wants to live in new york. it's the most astounding mecca since 9/11. what is it about new york that has withstood and almost attracted people after the horror of 9/11 who feel that new york is safer than it was when you and i grew up it's fair to say. why do so many people want to live there? >> new york has gained 1.5 million people, close to 1.5 million people between 1990 and today and half a million of
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those came since 9/11 or 300,000 to 400,000. when was the city least safe? not since 9/11 but actually when crime just ripped apart the city and you didn't feel safe going out to send your kid to the supermarket to get a container of milk. leaders of the city all of them and we in washington did a real job on cracking down on crime so overall new yorkers i think feel a lot safer today than they did 15 years ago even though the dangers come from different places. so you can't forget that. also, who comes to new york? people who want excitement. people who want the action. and people like that are less frightened away by things like this. i was in times square the morning after and it was, you know, new yorkers and others who had come to visit new york almost business as normal. my daughters want to go to times square, i'll say go right ahead. >> it's really come back.
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great to have you, senator chuck schumer. strange incident. we all got through it. why is the right wing blaming president obama for the oil spill? is nothing out of bounds to blame this fella for? our president. there's sabotage involved with that oil rig. how can they buy this stuff and a colorful ex-congressman gets in the game again. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. it was in my sister's neighborhood. i told you it was perfect for you guys. literally across the street from her sister. [ banker ] but someone else bought it before they could get their offer together. we really missed a great opportunity -- dodged a bullet there. [ banker ] so we talked to them about the wells fargo priority buyer preapproval. it lets people know that you are a serious buyer because you've been credit-approved. we got everything in order so that we can move on the next place we found. which was clear on the other side of town. [ male announcer ] wells fargo. with you when you're ready to move.
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>> i want to emphasize from day one we have prepared and planned for the worst even as we hoped for the best. >> welcome back to "hardball." president obama is making clear his administration has been on top of the oil rig crisis from the start but some on the right are taking this disaster and using it for politics. here's rush limbaugh today. >> if president obama is as successful controlling the oil slick as he has been with creating jobs, the gulf coast is screwed. >> political impact of the spill be? before we even start, i have to show you worse. this is rush limbaugh talking about the timing of the oil rig
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explosion and his theories about what caused it. >> i want to get back to the timing of the blowing up, the explosion out there in the gulf of mexico of this oil rig. the cap and trade bill was strongly criticized by hardcore environmentali isist wackos bec it allowed more offshore drilling and nuclear plants. since they are sending s.w.a.t. teams to inspect the other riggs, what better way to head off more oil drilling nuclear plants then by blowing up a rig? i'm just noting the timing here. >> what a ridiculous comment to make. the worst environmental disaster. all part of a world we live in where a part of the world could be destroyed for years and here he is saying it could be have been sabotaged by environmentalists who care more
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about the habitat than anybody. >> you heard of oil exploratioe. this is oil exploitation. it's not just rush limbaugh. >> this is nonsense on fox. let's listen. >> what's interesting to me is that something like katrina, which was a huge natural disaster wiping out an area the size of the united kingdom, little patience shown to the federal government. this was a man caused disaster and there's ultimate patience to the obama administration for their response. was this deliberate? you have to wonder. >> sabotage. >> if there was sabotage involved. >> this from the person that didn't recognize the history of the cuban missile crisis and never heard the phrase before when she was in office.
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the lack of knowledge and lack of responsibility from the right is really getting wacky. why is barack obama who is just about 50% in the polls so dangerous to these people that they have to go to this extreme language? are they trying to catch up to glenn beck? what's going on here? >> that's a very good question, chris. i'm surprised at dana. i expected more from her than that. it turns out that sarah palin is being much more responsible than dana perino. she released a statement last friday suggesting that we need more government regulation and also saying that accidents will happen. >> she knows the alaska oil situation. >> but any day that dana perino sounds more irresponsible than sarah palin, she needs to reconsider. >> it seems to me that as horrible as this is and it will get much worse in the weeks ahead, there's a teaching moment here. we people are responsible for our habitat. it's possible for mankind to
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destroy our habitat. this is an example. it is god given but god is not keeping it here. it's staying in our hands. it's in our hands. we can destroy our habitat. >> this is happening in realtime very quickly. some of the biggest dangers climate change and other things happen over a period of time that are slow and gradual and they may lead to what scientists -- just as real -- but they lead to tipping points. not everything that's done can been done. if you pour enough oil into the gulf coast -- >> where does 13 million gallons go to? >> good question. >> where does it end up? it ends up somewhere. >> it will hit land. it already has. it may end up on the tip of florida. devastating fisheries and tourism there. if the worst case scenario comes to be. back to the political impact here and right wingers trying to find a way to blame the
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president, because this is happening in realtime, it's going to be very hard for them to take people's attention away from bp. this is bp's responsibility. people know president obama wasn't on that oil rig. and sabotage is out of the question. bp has not suggested that. first of all, it's pretty far down for any "environmental whackos" to get to to blow up an oil rig. people understand because this is happening in realtime, you can watch the footage of this disaster taking place that the responsibility falls squarely on bp, and we have to -- >> safety first. you're right. safety and management are all management decisions no matter what technology you have, it has to be managed. it has to be checked and rechecked. safety. >> also, you know, there was a move in some places to put better regulations on these
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industries and put in switches that could automatically might have worked in the circumstance and -- >> blowout -- >> remember the dick cheney energy task force? it recommended against doing that because too expensive. so yet again you see that government policies do have a lot to do if you -- >> someone has a political ad. i don't know which side this comes from. the first ad to politicize the oil spill. let's watch. >> sometimes great leaders are tested. for decades oil companies have dictated our energy policy. president obama, will you lead our country into a clean energy future? or will we see more of this? president obama, reinstate the ban on new offshore drilling.
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>> we'll ask the question, the president just moved into that area as a compromise and have offshore now to meet near term energy needs and then long-term we'll try to go to renewables. that makes sense as a compromise. now it looks like he leaned over too far. if you're an environmentalist you say this is what i was afraid of. >> environmentalists were against the president's expansion of offshore drilling to begin with. let's at least give them credit for consistency. the environmental left always thought it was a bad idea and, yes, the timing is interesting on this. at the very moment just a few weeks after the president announced this, then this dis t disastrous oil spill reminds us on why it may not be a good idea. >> the president is going after bp. i think he's right. let's listen. >> let me be clear, bp is responsible for this leak. bp will be paying the bill.
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but as president of the united states, i'm going spare no effort to respond to this crisis for as long as it continues. >> you know, in college i studied welfare economics which is not about welfare recipients or welfare rights but about the social costs of economic activity. if you make a lot of noise, the guy next door has it to listen to it you pollute the air, people that live near it suffer from pollution. in this case, bp will pay a big bill here but they won't pay the cost on the shoreline. they're not going to talk about destruction of the environment. >> there were questions about what they have to pay might be capped at some level and robert gibbs didn't have details on that. you're right. pollution that goes into the water will have ramifications if not for weeks, months or maybe for years and it is true that because of the gulf currents a lot of that could come up to the chesapeake bay and to the northeast. this could go a lot of different
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places and some of these costs -- can you imagine the court cases in trying to figure out some of these costs and define them? what bp going to do? if they declare bankruptcy at some point, who picks up the tab? >> i hear they're hiring shrimp boat operators and making them sign waivers so they won't sue. >> lawyers are already involved. >> they are trying very hard. shrimpers are struggling on the gulf coast. they are going around telling people i'll give you $5,000 now if you promise not to sue. $5,000 may look like a lot to a shi shrimper struggling at the moment but it's nothing with the cost of their livelihood. >> thank you so much. up next, the best laughs from president obama and jay leno at this weekend's correspondents dinner. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. what did we make better ?
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>> back to "hardball." for a report on the weekend where the side show game the main event. jay leno hosted the white house correspondents dinner. here he is. >> you mention the situation in the gulf of mexico. there's talk that this oil slick could end up being bigger than that huge disaster they had up in alaska. really? bigger than sarah palin? that's unbelievable. a lot of republicans could not be here tonight because it's dollar drink night at the bondage club. that was my favorite story. republicans and a lesbian bondage club. ironic. republicans don't want lesbians getting married but they like to watch them tie the knot. that was interesting. >> jay leno gave a plug to us. >> and nice to see chris matthews. chris is here. chris, where are you?
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chris has been on "the tonight show" a number of times. always a great guest. comes out. sits down. talks straight through for ten minutes. then i ask him a question. then he talks for another 20 minutes. >> i don't get it. by the way, president obama did a first rate standup. here he is. >> i wasn't sure that i should actually come tonight. biden talked me into it. he leaned over and he said, mr. president, this is no ordinary dinner. this is a big [ bleep ] meal. there are times where you just can't help but laugh. you know what really tickles me? eric massa. massa claimed that rahm came up to him stark naked and started
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screaming obscenities at him to which i say, welcome to my world. it's been quite a year since i have spoken here last. lots of ups. lots of downs, except for my approval ratings which have just gone down. that's politics. it doesn't bother me. besides, i happen to know that my approval ratings are still high in the country of my birth. >> the man has talent. time now for the big number. yesterday we got a good look at the main white house talking point on the oil spill down in the gulf. the administration was prepared to deal with the cries fridays d from day one. remember that phrase? ready? set. go. >> from day one there's been the
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assumption here on the worst case scenario to prepare for the worst as we have from day one. >> from day one. since day one. day one. >> all hands on deck from day one. >> day one the president has been involved so from day one we've been on top of this. >> from day one. >> from day one. >> the president directed from day one that we spare nothing at all in terms of effort. >> we had dod resources from day one treated as a possible catastrophic failure from day one. day one. >> all hands on deck relentless response to this crisis from day one. from day one we made preparations from day one. >> that's why people really trust politicians. we counted at least 19 times yesterday that president obama and his cabinet said that they were ready for the oil spill on day one. say the secret word. 19 day ones. way to stay on message. tonight's big number. up next, can charlie crist or
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arl arlen specter win after leaving the republican party? it always happens.
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i'm julia boorstin with your market wrap. a solid rally to start the week on upbeat economic numbers and a bailout package for greece. s&p 500 adding more than 15 points. the nasdaq jumping 37.5 points. investors breathing easier today after euro zone nations agree to fund a $146 billion aid package for greece. back at home, the manufacturing index rose .8 in april. fastest pace in nearly six years. industrial stocks were some of the day's best performers. consumer spending rising for a sixth straight month in march topping gains in income driving household saving to the lowest
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level in more than a year. and bp shares still tumbling falling near 4% after sliding 12% last week with that oil spill still growing analysts say bp will be on the hook for up to $7 billion in cleanup costs. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. now back to "hardball." back to "hardball." conservatives are drilling at the chance to take down two two detectors from the republican party this year. charlie crist and arlen specter are worse than rhinos republicans in name only because these two fellows went all the way and ditched the gdp altogether. there's a new website that cries
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defeat the defectors. encourages donations to the republicans in those senate states for those republican candidates respectfully. will they get their wish? can specter win in a democratic primary? can crist win a three-way race? we have msnbc political analysts with us. look at this debate. i caught a bit of it today. here's the first and only debate with specter in philly. let's listen. >> there's one item which needs to be cleared up. i want an apology from the congressman for his television advertisement which calls me a liar. when he calls me a liar, that's out of bounds. i want an apology. >> career politicians will do anything in order to keep their job. they'll switch the party from
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being a republican because they can't beat the republican opponent and the next day after a poll is taken, they become a democrat. >> congressman sestak doesn't deal with the issue of calling me a liar. >> who is winning this thing? >> since michael is in philly, i concentrated on calling my friends in my hometown of pittsburgh and they think that sestak has a chance of catching specter here. he's playing prosecutor again. sounding like the aggrieved party but he's caught in a whip saw between a tax from another democrat and a tax from republicans who keep churning out stuff attacking specter also. >> your views of this race and how it went saturday night and whether specter will get beaten? >> i was surprised on saturday night that sestak didn't have a response because the line of
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attack from sestak was predictable. he says that joe sestak was relieved of his command and points to an article in the navy times as evidence of that fact and sestak responded by saying you're a liar. so continually specter was saying release your naval records and sestak didn't have an answer to that the most interesting aspect of the night is that john baird was the monitor. when the lights went dark and the debate was over, he heard specter mumble to joe sestak. he said do you want to continue this? that lets you know how hot this one is getting. >> let's look at the latest poll. ho >> i think they have done a fairly systematic job. they will start daily tracking. they show 48-42 specter over
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sestak. my guess is it's not that close. if there's momentum, it seems it is with sestak and specter has to be careful. he's under 50% here. if you're sort of the incumbent, under 50 is a dangerous place to be. >> i think it will than close. i don't think it's there yet. let's go to florida. charlie crist. let's look at the performance by charlie crist with david gregory. >> will you caucus in the senate with republicans? >> i'll caucus with the people of florida and as i said earlier this week -- >> hold on, governor. you have to make a choice in the senate. republicans or democrats. who do you caucus with? as a matter of business, you have to decide. >> when i'm an independent i'll do what's in the best interest of my people and that's my decision. >> would you vote for a republican or democratic majority leader? >> i might not vote for either one. i'm going vote for who i think would be best for the people of
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florida. and if that happens to be a democrat, so be it. if it's a republican, so be it. >> i think charlie crist -- i like charlie crist but he's o off base on that. he can't decide which leader he's going vote for because he's not even voting. you must join the caucus and then you get to vote for which person leads that caucus. that's how it's done. he doesn't seem to know that or rejects knowing it. what do you think? is he just ignorant or playing a game here? >> i would hope he would know the answer to that question. it seems to me that he figures in answering that he'll alienate half of the base he needs to win. i'm the rare talk radio host who is cheering him on at least in principle because i would love to see some competition, i would love to see a voice be given to the middle. there's a mindset out there that says john avalon wrote this that says he reinforced the worst stereotypes that he stands for nothing. i like to think he stands for
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something and that alienated disinfected republicans, moderate types, will have one with who to cast their lot. >> there is a different from being in the center and just being a fellow or woman who looks for the middle to avoid taking a stand. he is leading. >> another thing he's doing that's interesting is he's going to have to rely with his lack of on the ground infrastructure on the internet. as i was looking around today preparing to come on the show today, i notice that the crist campaign very cleverly is advertising on political primary stories. if you go on the internet and on a lot of websites and stories about independent candidates and primary challenges, you'll see charlie crist ads up there which is an interesting thing. >> what i found fascinating this weekend, he's pointing to joe lieberman who lost his primary in connecticut and we're watching that on the democratic side and then ran successfully against both parties and won the general. he's tasaying lieberman said gog independent is the most
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liberating thing. so he likes to play this game. let's take a look at alexander whacking him on the sunday show on "meet the press." >> senator lieberman was different. first he ran as an independent at the same time he ran as a democrat. he had a strong principle opposition to the iraq war and third the democratic leadership in that case said that they didn't support him so mahe's shn that he's a better governor and crist said i'm not doing well by these rules, i'll use these rules. >> you leave the party they'll get you and smack you. there you have a moderate fellow in his favor chasing him down and whacking him. >> my observation in watching that was to think that senator lieberman perhaps is in the role of king maker if he chooses to be. i don't know he'll sound off on the rubio/crist race in the election at the end of the
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debate with senator specter, he was asked to who do you look to for leadership. he says sam nunn. can you give me an enforcement here? >> the thing is here at the time when there is such polarization, if they can support each other in a way, that can help. >> in the center. >> they have to try to get together because they're being attacked from both sides at all times. >> looking to britain for leadership for liberal democrats. thank you, howard. michael, i'm sure it's all over the radio those british election results. charlie crist coming on "hardball" this wednesday. up next, obama plans to reform wall street. we'll talk about that for a minute. in this minute, the latest on the race to replace the late jack murtha. this is "hardball" on msnbc. national car rental?
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you don't have to worry. they make money whether you laugh or not. >> we're back. that was president obama saturday night joking about something that appears to be all too true. the senate is moving full steam ahead on wall street reform and some democrats want to get tougher on biggest banks. ted kaufman is vice president biden's successor in the senate and he sits on the government affairs committee. thank you, senator kaufman. first time you've been on the show. i wonder whether you have a special advantage coming into this senate without the need to fund raise. the right word is sickening parts of your wonderful role in life is that you don't have to play and sit on your car in the plaza making phone calls during roll calls. you don't have to do that with your colleagues. has that given you an edge against these wall street character? >> i think it has given an edge. i've been involved in a lot of campaigns and i haven't done a single done a single thing yet that i wouldn't do if i was
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running this time. especially on this issue. this issue, i'm telling you, there is frankly nothing hotter out there right now. i tell you, people are m coming up to me on street corners and it's amazing. there are like 20 people, three different people, and keep after it. we love what you're doing. i think politically it may be true but on this one clearly the political thing to do is the right thing to do. >> the fact that you don't have to fund raise on saturday is you can go to just across the river to the acme. >> yes. >> these six banks total more than 60% of the gdp. bank of america, jpmorgan, citibank, morgan stanley. is there such a thing as too big to fail? >> absolutely. the fail part, there is a big
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problem with the too big piece. there's 63% of the assets, just 15 years ago they were 17% of the assets. they are now 85% of the derivatives are with the five major banks. they are clearly too big. they are too complex. they have relationships around the world. resolving them under the best of circumstances would be a very difficult thing. we don't need their economies as a scale. the director of the bank of england said $100 billion, that's the maximum. even alan greenspan came out and said the economies in a scale are much, much more present in our banks. >> but aren't they working against any move to break them snup. >> you know, it's really change. they must know that i am beyond hope or persuasion.
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what you have to do is get across to everybody that we're going to have too big to fail. not just that, but there is a bill that says, we've got to limit how much capital any one bank has and what they have in liabilities as a percentage of their capital, which is 2% for banks, financial institutions and 3% for nonfinancial institutions. so even as we get too big and get it down to there and shrink it down, what i want to do, chris, is even if we do, that cut down the size. then the regulators can deal with it. we have to have gray line marks and they are liabilities. the big problem is the financial sector has gotten too darn big. >> you got it. >> nobody is making anything, ájjt money. here you are, sir, last week. >> at the time -- >> right. >> -- things happened in the market, were accepted in the market that, in hindsight, look
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very different than at the time that they did in the market. >> i've got two things that i'm getting out of this hearings. nobody did anything wrong, like a natural disaster. the mortgage market fell and nobody knew it. and the second thing is that these things were just something that happened. >> do you think geithner gets it? i keep hearing the failure of government. is he afraid to take a whack at the rich guys? what is his problem? he dresses like the big shots, talks like them, and he's afraid to offend them. he says it's the little regulators that blew it. wait a minute, when the criminal messes up, we don't say that the cop failed. we say that the criminal committed the act. >> chris, you've got to remember -- and i agree with you totally. carl levin chaired -- this is
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washington mutual. have you ever heard of a stated income loan, chris? >> yes, i have. >> the stated income loan is that you come into a bank and -- >> and you make it up? >> you make it up. >> and you want to know something? at washington mutual, 90% of their home he can quit tea loans were stated income loans. >> a person that owes nothing to anybody, who will only be a senator for the people of delaware. a rarity. thank you, sir. when we come back, thoughts about the oil spill in the gulf. you're watching hardball only on msnbc. [ female announcer ] breathe right asks... [ woman ] could i ask you to strip on the street?
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let me finish tonight with a joke and a tragedy. i'll have my coffee now. my coffee. when precisely the comedian asked did it become my coffee. when she thought it? when she was ordering it? so when does this oil become our oil? when did it cease to be the property of the oil company that was drilling and become the responsibility of the coast guard or the american people who don't have a red cent of it for the cleanup. and when you see precisely how private money making can cost our world where bp's oil becomes our oil destroying our water and fish and coastline and wetlands, our oil to clean up. ladies and gentlemen, if this is
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the last time that you see it, see it. the actions, the skrcrew ups, a prepare for the environmental disasters that become that the second it happens. the people on the poor sign right put a gag on every time they mock tree huggers. the fact that you pay for what they tell you is the price of doing business. got it? it's the price that you pay and they don't. i hear rush limbaugh and others on the right trying desperately to swim away from this horror. they are talking about conspiracies. i understand that part. just one more good point. sure, rush, could be. that's the attitude of the oil companies. it's mine, mine, mine, as long as there is cash to be grabbed. and let the house clean it up. the second they are not making money on it and floating out there in the gulf well, it's all
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yours, buddy. again, a teaching moment. next time the oil company is making a future about your environment, about the damage that they are doing to the planet, the climate change, just remember how fast they said, it's our problem. that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. next is "the ed show" with ed schultz. good evening from new york tonight. british petroleum says that they will cover the disaster of the gulf. i'll believe it when i see them sign the checks on tv. federal law says that they are liable for less than a billion dollars on cleanup. more on that in just a minute. i don't think that's fair. the hunt is on for the terrorist that tried to blow up the times square over the weekend. we'll get the latest on the search and the potential connection to the tv show "south
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park." plus, a special shout out to a guest that i invited to the white house dinner, tony romo. this guy is a class act. that's coming up next in the playbook. but this is a story that i think the country is focused on and has me fired up tonight. bp. i'll tell you what, get ready to get your checkbook out. you're on the hook. president obama put it like this on sunday. >> let me be clear. bp is responsible for this leak. bp will be paying the bill. but with as president of the united states i'm going to spare no effort to respond to this crisis for as long as it continues. >> robert gibbs was a little more direct. >> we're going to do what we have to do. we will keep

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